Posts by Sea Breeze

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Sea Breeze

@EasyPrompt

Your posts are big on fluff and short on scripture. WT heresy cannot stand in light of the many scriptures I cited.

Please address the scriptures I cited if you want to be taken seriously.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Sea Breeze

@enoughisenough

sea breeze- one of the original lies to EVE was she wouldn't ever die.

You assume that the definition of death is non existence. That is a materialism concept and totally unbiblical. Early on in the bible, a definition of death is given:

Gen 35: 17-18 Now it came to pass, when she was in hard labor, that the midwife said to her, “Do not fear; you will have this son also.” And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name [a]Ben-Oni; but his father called him [b]Benjamin.

In the bible, when a persons' body becomes separated from their soul & spirit, they become "dead" - not unconscious.

For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. - James 2: 26

When these three are rejoined after death (separation), a resurrection occurs.There is no such language in the bible like the the WT deceptively uses, like:

"resurrected to spirit life"

This phrase is totally made up and presupposes that death means unconsciousness. The WT is a master at building logical doctrines on totally false presuppositions (assumptions).

Two scriptures prove thaat man is a tri-partite being in the image of his maker (who is also a tri-partite being)

Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thess. 5: 23

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. - Hebrews 4: 112

Their are dozens and dozens of other verses that also allude to this:

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

In other words, you cannot be a Christian without being "born again" with a new spirit.

Believers experience assured salvation now because of that new spirit that is born from God (which literally makes believers his son)

Scripture is clear:

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free - Romans 8

The reason believers are not condemned (even in this life) is because the new spirit they receive is sinless, born of God and is actually them, their person. And since this is a supernatural work of God, which makes you a son, God has certain obligations toward his children to take care of them ,the same as any father has obligations toward his sons.

God, (and fathers such as myself) have no such legal obligations toward other peoples' children.

The whole concept of circumcision points to the future (now) when under a legal agreement, a person's old spirit is sliced off and discarded and a new sinless spirit is fused with a person' body and soul..... in this life.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel ...But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; ...I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people...for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. - Jer. 31 ("heart" is synomonous with "spirit" in the bible much of the time)

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter - Romans 2

Once a person abandons the false definitions and narratives of the WT, the scriptures come alive.

Col. 2: 8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Sea Breeze

Easy Prompt,

Your logic is fine. It is your presupposition that is faulty. In the bible, death means separation, not non existence.

For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord:

Instead, I say that we are confident and willing to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Cor. 5: 8

That is not a resurrection. In the bible, not only is the body is spoken of using pronouns. But, the soul and the spirit of man is assigned personhood as well.

BTTT, obviously fire which of this physical life would have at least a different affect on an eternal soul than it would on real flesh and blood.

But, I think it is a mistake to believe that Jesus' detailed adjectives about the torment, anguish, gnashing of teeth ...of eternal duration would be strictly symbolic. At the very minimum it could mean conscious eternal separation from God with the absence of anything good (outer darkness). At the maximum, it could mean exactly what Jesus said that it did.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Sea Breeze

@enoughisenough

the dead know nothing at all - Eccl. 9: 5

It is unwise to take a philosophical book from the OT written strictly from a carnal or physical stand point and apply it as a corrector of Jesus words.

Eccl. 10: 19 "money is the answer to everything".

Why not make a Christian doctrine out of Eccl. 10: 19 too?

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Sea Breeze

I guess you could say Jesus was the first Christian, since he was the Christ.

And as the first Christian, Jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure. But, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

So with verses like these:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels - Mt. 25 :31

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Mt. 10: 28

What are we to think? What did the first believers think on this topic? Yes, it is a hard teaching. One, that most Christians wouldn't mind if it wasn't part of Christianity. But, if you believe that Jesus resurrected himself from the dead like he predicted that he would, why would we doubt anything he said??

Would it be "in character" for Jesus to allow people to believe something false for 1800 years until a man who believed he was named in scripture as "that faithful servant" appointed over all of humanity (C T Russell), was born and corrected Jesus by announcing that hell was actually cold, & not hot?

What say you?

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Theocratic Warfare

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

most of us know what theocratic warfare means but maybe very few people reading this forum might never heard of theocratic warfare.

can you give them some examples of theocratic warfare?

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Sea Breeze

Householder: Are you here to change my religion?

JW: No, we are just here to promote bible reading.

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Shock Poll: 39% of JW's Do Not Beleive in Absolute Moral Standards

by Sea Breeze in

i found this statistic (and others) surprising.

from pew research:.

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Sea Breeze

I found this statistic (and others) surprising. From Pew Research:

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Do You Think Trump Is Done?

by minimus in

jw
friends

certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

is trump’s goose cooked?

Sea Breeze

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Greek and antecedents (draft)

by Blotty in

natural antecedents (essay) + meanings to certain words.

i posted about 5 months ago a study done by daniel wallace called “greek grammar and the holy spirit” (see: source), which i have cited numerous times since – which focuses heavily on greek antecedents.

ending), and she (fem.

Sea Breeze

Daniel B. Wallace is a life-long advocate of the Critical Text pioneered by our now infamous occult dabbling unsaved bible critics Westcott and Hort.

Millions of Christians simply reject the Critical Text altogether and stick with the Majority Text which enjoys a 95% agreement among extant manuscripts.

He is also the senior editor of the NET bible. Here is a critique of his work on the NET bible :

https://www.bible-researcher.com/net.html

And Fosters Theological Reflections might be better named Fosters Heretical Reflections since Mr. Foster is a Jehovah's Witness.

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@ Easy Prompt

Ecclesiastes 9:4,5

"For as respects whoever is joined to all the living there exists confidence, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion. For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all..."

Thanks for quoting Eccl. - A philosophical work that showcases life “under the sun”. In others words a strictly physical existence.

EP,

Are you equally prepared to live your life according to the clear biblical declaration also found in Ecclesiastes :

”money is the answer for everything”

Please get some sound biblical education instead of from grifters like Russell aka Mr. Miracle Wheat.